11/14 Bauerle and Bellavia Hour 3: Cheektowaga French and Union Road Shooting Coverage

Bauerle and Bellavia
Tuesday, November 14th
01:27:37

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Fabrice would witness what would've been a uniform tablets thank you very much it's going to be circles and squares with a sell cigarettes at home and do. It's the hourly and Olivia talking about the important thing are you properly undertake. Yeah. Yeah. A news radio 930 W. Are developing innovative radio led thirty WB GM. And if you are just joining us we will be replying at some point the interview we did with Tom from Pendleton who says he was eyewitness to the events that unfolded at the Dollar General. He's already given a one statement to be Cheektowaga police and understand he is going to be giving more we're trying to get. Tom to get his sister Nicole and his sister was in Dollar General with his 94 year old mother when the shooting began. And I would love to know exactly what the sister has to say now apparently the shooting started at the Dollar General. Because a god god and to get a job application was told they only took applications online at that point the guy exited the store became belligerent with a woman who was apparently a fellow customer went to a vehicle got a rifle and started walking toward Dollar General. And our caller Tom said anywhere from fifteen below went to thirty shots. What he heard fight and they keep keep in mind obviously when. You're in the middle of a situation like that unless you're trained you're not counting rounds and his description though is backed up by what we're seeing. Marked off as shell casings in the crime scene photos that people person against Tom and David at WBE a dot com now. So why do wanna add one thing the assistant police chief of Cheektowaga Jim spare. He had mentioned that one person a male was shot suffering nonlife threatening injuries and that the suspect is in custody also being treated for an injury now. The story we heard from Tom in penalty and now we're talking Alphonso from Williams bill who sent us pictures right as this story happened Alfonzo was right there as it went down. But I made mention. In the with the one witness and it had mentioned that there was an individual. A white guy and we are we using that because the suspect appears to have been African American we're just trying to differentiate it in his own story. That a gentleman came out of the store and confronted. What could have been a a person walking into a dollar got a walking in behind him. The guy is walking in behind the guy with the right what I'm saying is that confrontation may have prevented that individual from sprain that store. Innocent unarmed individuals so that story ends up you know panning out this guy who you know saw this guy with a rifle and said this is wrong. May have saved. If a lives it's just the ball but it took for the government is to knock the guy's hand to get his cell phone out of his hand may end up being an incredible. OK I totally understand it let's go back to Alfonso in Williams Alfonzo. OK so now you're I've EU working in the area. And and normally you make a decision while while your head into the warehouse yearly in the warehouse whether or not you wanna stop get a snack at this Dollar General and for whatever reason. On your way to the warehouse today you decided not to get that snack can do turned and you probably would've found yourself. In this story as well but when did you first realize it's something was wrong. Well and it was right when I walked out of probably in our you know where are our building for. You know. Just under ten minutes. So. I'm. I get that I heard the gunfire. I didn't. I didn't think anything of it walked inside I was in the army had net. When I walked out when I'd all the all the all that the week auditors polling and I'll do the corner where. The door sill. It is our poll then it might and I not been replaying in my mind over and over that I I had I would have been there I mean. Oden right in the middle if it and I still won't know. You know who was actually shot and so kind of fear that. As we are as well and in the store. Or anything but I mean is suspicious you know it did it was worth decree about those decision that you made. You know you you. You Q do you Cape May court decision and it can change your entire life. What does it certainly didn't brought a great point what does this say that this guy went to his car got the rifle it was going to shoot up the entire Dollar General and everybody in the side but for the guy. Walking in behind the guy with a rifle who said you know hey buddy don't. Maybe it was that moment. That enabled it just enough seconds past where the government thought better of committing mass homicide. May we wish folks would divert well dodged a major. Mass shooting event here in Western New York today on the ultra hyper analyzes benign Alfonso I I can't tell how much we appreciate colony and and how much we appreciate you send those photos Alfonzo was fair as the shooting took place you know I Tom there's nothing one imagine. You know in all seriousness if this many rounds were fired it's an example that the safe act you know. Unfortunately bad guys are gonna do bad things but if we're shooting thirty rounds that is obviously not a magazine anywhere in the stratosphere that is New York's they've complied know it is not ask you heard whimpering that. That last thirty round magazine and I had was the so called banana clip and yes we called them banana clips back in the 1980s. For the 22 rifle Ruger 1020 Cuba now we we haven't had that years now -- your anger that is still on location Tim and we appreciate that you you being so patient with us. Tim could ask you real quick. Eight if I. The areas that you saw that had to shell casings. In one area doesn't appear that there are multiple. Collections a shell casings are just and one this and day that. Here is like that could be scattered about a little bit David we are across the street but directly in front of the dollar general's so. It's kinda hard to see that far and you know that's the thing that. That that is making it more difficult historically if you're on the scene to something like this you'll see. Law enforcement gather around those evidence serious you know we'll put those little markers that you've probably seen on TV. You're not seeing that here because of this bomb squad aspect of the investigation so there's no investigators it will be your parking lot and also it's hard to tell. You know exactly the areas that they're concentrating on with the exception the obvious exception of the black vehicle which is we're. The bomb squad continues to go through this vehicle I think something may have given them some sort of in all clear because I can tell you. Within the past minute or so it just as you came to me they've reopened traffic northbound nine union road that's a big death in. Yep the union road is open down northbound it's still closed southbound. At. If franks wrote so that remains close but it does look like he may be ready to. Make that decision to open that they have done so yet but for traffic purposes only northbound union road. Has been reopened. The bomb squad continues to peruse about that black vehicle hatchback vehicle to parking lot of the dollar ten. Tim how Wenger joins us WMR McGregor a he's actually at the allocation of the Cheektowaga union road. From Clinton that hit to French that area at one point was totally locked down and and at what Tim just said is a huge a sign that things are starting to go back to normal if that's possible to say. Jim in the first press conference we heard from the Cheektowaga police a lot of information was intentionally left out they're teasing another press coverage at 6 PM. And there was a couple of things that were. A little awkward in the answering that we think maybe they're gonna fill in the blanks at six. Yet to step it you know they just opened south routes the traffic is now moving both directions here. And if you're in the vicinity you'll see here flashing lights and at Dollar General parking lot but they've. Completely opened up the the barrier now's the traffic now will be in the move. Both north and south. Union wrote so it's taken your question David I'm sorry discuss what they is that they at least cruises on nine here right now the first press conference there was a lot of things intentionally left out the please Cheektowaga police and the assistant police chief Jim spare. This next one coming up at six we expect a little bit more answers but when you asked the question of how was the guy injured and did the police shoot back. There was sort of well we'll tell you abort six. Yeah he wouldn't answer that question he just looked at me and he blocked the way it's more coming up at 6 o'clock so clearly they were. With holdings in the tails which is not atypical at all in this kind of scenarios you. You would imagine you know there's an. That bomb squad thing really threw hooked into this as I mentioned you know normally either via very sweeping investigation of this parking lot. That would be underway and presumably they've done a lot of that already. But with the with the fears of anything explosive and a lot that would have hindered some of the investigation I think slowed down. You know the release of information so I do expect it will get a lot more information. When they do that briefing here alive some. After 6 o'clock. All right Tim Tim Weiner thank you very much a news radio 930 WB Ian Bauerle Bellamy a WB at 71 alert forecast for tomorrow it is going to be well November but. So November clouds showers late in the high temperature almost fifty degrees. Okay. Up from November. It's forty to reduce ready in my thirty WB EL I can't raise my voice a little harder two in the year in the expert of the program. Develop we what you do for a united thirty WB EM. And the David what are the things were going to do. We will have but. But live coverage from Egypt walker town police department union rode in the Cheektowaga. That is going to be at some point during these 6 o'clock hour Tim Winger is on route from the shooting scene at Dollar General. I union and for a trip by the way some of July and up by the way to start kudos to all of the agencies which responded. And our pictures I've seen that Cheektowaga pro cars have seen actually. Or would you call the improbable four by fours. I've seen you west Seneca guys beat Cheektowaga guys the Erie county bomb squad. I have to believe at some point victory county sheriff's must be a round or on location on leaving out any agency let me know it off they call that any federal agencies whether it be DEA or. Veolia are. About bureau about called back on fire of people don't know we've got a Fed's of this I met those county bomb squad guys and they're about 95% combat vet it. And and those though the EOD guys in the local law enforcement. Have a huge a group that have been there done that in Afghanistan and Iraq they really know their stuff were really blessed to have those. Men and women. And there's also at least one frequencies. On which the agencies can talk inner agency to avoid the communication breakdown that would happen if you didn't as the west Seneca cop had access to your colleagues in the satellite Cheektowaga. That radio frequency at least one of them has been around for many many many many years for exactly situations like this. And west Seneca in Cheektowaga have a great working relationship as police department as adjoining communities generally do Todd hammers tennis title Wanda they've got a great working relationship that. You know kudos that it kudos to the cops forget here as fast as they did. Because one of the things I'm sure you noticed as a subtlety you were talking to be eyewitness we're gonna replay that conversation right after the 530 news is. By the time this guy had gone to the side of the building. He started to your police sirens coming and if you heard the police sirens so did the guy with the gun. Absolutely you know you you we heard from Alfonzo and Williams bill but this Thomas penalty and if you miss the story you're just getting out of work. I'm John this is really reservation radio. Yeah you need to be listening for one of the best eyewitness accounts this guy's articulate he's Smart and he really knows what he's talking about but he also he made some really good decisions. For someone who just found himself in a pretty stressful situation so kudos to top. WB at 71 alert forecast for tomorrow it is going to be well November 8 but. So November clouds showers late in the high temperature almost fifty degrees. Okay it up from November. It's forty to reduce ready in my thirty WP you know like it raise my voice a little harder two in the in the expert the program. Develop we would you do for a united thirty WB EM. And that David what are the things were going to do. We will have. But live coverage from Fiji to walker town police department union road in Cheektowaga. That is going to be at some point during the 6 o'clock hour Tim Winger is on route from the shooting scene at Dollar General. Union and for a trip by the west Seneca line and up by the way to start kudos to all of the agencies which responded in our pictures I've seen that Cheektowaga pro cars have seen it actually. Or would you call the improbable four by fours. I've seen you west Seneca guys beat Cheektowaga guys the Erie county bomb squad. I have to believe at some point today Erie county sheriff's must be a round or on location on leaving out any agency let me know it up they call that any federal agencies whether it be DEA or. Veolia are. About bureau about called back on fire of people don't know we've got a feds on this I met those county bomb squad guys and they're about 95% combat vet. And and those though the EOD guys in local law enforcement. Have a huge a group that have been there done that in Afghanistan and Iraq they really no other stuff were really blessed to have those. Men and women. And there's also at least one frequency. On which the agencies can talk inner agency to avoid the communication breakdown that would happen if you didn't as a west Seneca cockpit access to your colleagues in the satellite Cheektowaga. That radio frequency at least one of them has been around for many many many many years for exactly situations like here's. And west Seneca energy to log have a great working relationship as police department has been joining communities generally do. Top of Everest at a panel Wanda they've got a great working relationship but you know kudos. Kudos to the cops forget here as fast as they do it. Because one of the things I'm sure you noticed as a subtlety you were talking to be eyewitness we're gonna replay that conversation right after the 530 news is. By the time this guy had gone to the side of the building. He started to your police sirens coming and if you heard the police sirens so did the guy with the gun. Absolutely you know you you we heard from Alfonzo and Williams real but this Thomas panel did if you miss the story you're just getting out of work. I'm John this is really reservation radio. Yeah you need to be listening for one of the best eyewitness accounts this guy's articulate he's Smart and he really knows what he's talking about but he also he made some really good decisions. For someone who just found himself in a pretty stressful situation so kudos to top. Our ability to do is ready at 930 WBE manager cartel pocket today in the news shooting Dollar General union and French in Cheektowaga Rick close to the west Seneca line. And that we're gonna replay call we took from a guy who is in the parking lot as everything unfolded and I know what some of your gonna think. We have made sure that he's already given a statement to police. And we've made sure that he is accessible. To the Cheektowaga police department I've known guys on the job in Cheektowaga where many many many years I even have the lieutenant inside number. And believe me I'm well aware of the fact that what he says to the police is much more important than calling your radio shows ago. We're definitely aware of how that operates and always cooperate with the law enforcement professionals. This is Tom a witness to what happened to. Right now this guy says he saw the incident on pole it says Tom in Pendleton a WBP. And Tom give us your story what's. Are sitting in the parking lot waiting for my mother and sister to come out of the store. And they see this. Guy in the black day. As an altercation with a woman in the doorway. And she comes out of this story any follows her in the hits are again. And she. Was really shook up its incurred prior. And takes. Mexico angle. This guy is walking back towards store what a a rifle. And. What what kind of rifle that looked like well. Oh. Should OK but he is definitely look like a black rifle again like AER type. Grateful okay. Use the word air it change of them that you bright but it was a very like that well but it was shooting and I think these polls are a country. Right oh. There was but gentlemen going into the store. And it's great turns around the mean that gentleman turned around and so the the guy with the gun. Like something like you do win. But the guy pushes him max's born out of his hand. And pushes them again. And then decade goes around the other vehicle in the front to pick of this phone. And I started hearing gunfire so. I'm thinking I can see where he was shown but the hard to gores felt for me to windows got X windows got blown out of that. So let me just like catch everyone up to what your rock claiming you saw you were outside the Dollar General. I waited for failing memory finish shopping. Yes well sit in my parent my mother's parents waiting for them to come out. You saw an African American male I get into an altercation win any African American female. No and get them all these world white woman to begin work OK white male. And one. So your saying that the the person that came back around the corner with the gun was white or black. The the black male who who've gotten the altercation with the white female. Was the one that came back with a rifle. And he was stopped by a white male that came from the store. Don't know whether the white male was going into this store. And said what are you doing with a gun. Shoulder and seeing them. Approaching them with that gone. So late to right and then who cellphone got knocked out. Each. Into the store okay his phone got knocked out of the scene and took a swing at him. And Mac before it is and and it should it anyways here wire. How many rounds did you hear. Golf. In the beginning probably about. Six maybe seven but then we pulled around this side of the building to try to get cover that. It was probably 1520 feet in front of me and I don't sit there and it's like we're regular idea I think even you know turn over you know they. We down underneath the steering column. Record ever get out of here depressed state and so I drove around the corner and a lady that was next to me she drove around and weeks. Spare the air. And we capturing more and more gunfire. And bad we've heard the police car is common. And we've probably. Ten minutes later the police were around the corner so we figured they'd probably say. You know while front again. We went back down from prior and that's what I noticed that he shut the the doors to the front of the Dollar General. Put a bunch around and built in that doors. Now I never saw him go in the store. You know with the onslaught chat but we weren't there right I just told you what I saw so. Did use did you shoot the shooter injured. Any time. No no no because. Also we come around the corner and then the absurd I don't think they're to be arrogant driveway if there was still there Sunday so we must to chase them. And that's when they they caught up with him down the road a little piece. But he wasn't limping or bleeding before that. Although it was it was a perfect physical shape to start where it. And you didn't hear any more gunshots after that. Know that once he left the scene and then started taking off bound union. We do we begin here anymore venture. So the only gunshots you heard where was was the assailant shooting at the victim. The only guy wait the only where pepper was the shooter shoot them up on just it should happen at that are we shouldn't sporadic Leo over its being. Am. Awed by wasn't sure what you wish net until. Any change a magazine. Didn't see it Weaver we're background around the corner. And how many rounds fired. Yes 23. And what was their pauses in between them. Yeah yeah yeah Boca what it was just. Prospering. Well bullet is but it wasn't me it was it was crazy it was slick. Well this police while. Now this individual Tom in Pendleton who has given us information to police because he is a witness in a a criminal situations so they are aware of how to get in touch with him according to Tom in Pendleton so. You work. In a vehicle in the parking lot. At the Dollar General. And shore watching a black guy and a white woman are leaving the Dollar General and appeared to have some kind of an altercation. In the doorway when you say altercation. Did the mail strike the female with a fist or hand at that point yet. Okay because Benton after a few feet as they were further away from the store the mail hit the female again. Did the fee they'll go down. Now. What's it like a fist and punch. I was. A shove her punch a similar to show him more of the show was it to the shoulder area to the head area. Providing. OK so you are seeing this guy and this woman getting into an altercation you witnessed the woman shoved it. Twice she was shot and not punched in the doorway of the Dollar General. I love. He took a swipe at around investor what you wanna call. Okay but it didn't look like a you know an upper cutter something like that it was more of a shove a poor. At auto as a domestic. Right and but it's Bennett it's one. You just her expression was she was trying it way it's. So he. The woman who had been that shoved or you know physically molested by this guy twice and I don't mean in the other sense but she gets into her vehicle and drives away. The male walks to his vehicle and get a rifle. One rifle. Okay the mail gets to two. Did you notice anything unusual about the clothing worn by the guy who went back to the car to get the rifle after striking the woman twice. Volume up. Baseball. Played a play it. Jack that are sure bet it will just river. I don't there was not then. Under the you could offer what I saw. Nothing to indicate that he was wearing body armor now okay. So the suspect after grabbing a rifle then goes back in the direction of the Dollar General. At which point a male a white male asks the guy with a rifle what are you doing. Is that correct yeah. The guy with a rifle ban swat it takes a swipe at the guy who asked him what he was doing. Knocking the guy cellphone out of his hand correct. The guy whose cell phone have been knocked out of his hand it goes to retrieve this cellphone by walking behind a car away from the guy with a rifle correct. Okay at what point. Is it deep did you see the guy who had his cell phones like out of this and by the guy with a rifle. Is he the individual who was shot in the shoulder. I don't know. Back at terminals saying no doubt they away because the it was. An ambulance came there but there was bode was built Jewish. And in the store or around the store. Salaam and I'm I'm gonna assume though because that's the thing. So now after we've. Started hearing got a lawyer we try to get out of there two vote with papers by and that's when we heard the rest of his firing. I'm not sure what happened to the guy who got his cell fullback that it does and. BER because BP chief said the shooting took place outside the Dollar General that's what the assistant chief said today in his in his news briefing. But what you're saying here is very alarming because in total you're telling us that you. Heard twenty to thirty round who's going off is that correct. Well could have been fifteen when there were a lot of it was it. You know I didn't count but there was there was a lot of a lot of vote. How familiar are you with firearms and what a gunshot sounds like. Well I got to shut I got it when he threw. Okay see you're you're not a novice with firearms you know the difference between a gunshot and a backfired. Or that. The district shell casings were over the mocha brown would win after the hole in an event that we just been around. You witnessed the suspects. Way cars in the parking lot and also putting rounds through the door of the Dollar General is correct. Shot he shot one terror. That I know. And we've put a bunch around in the front door of the the store. So the question is in you're not gonna know the activists was the individual who shot the guy who had a cellphone knocked out of his hand. Or was it to somebody who was in the Dollar General at that point. At no point Tom but you told us where your mother and family members were. You you were waiting for them in the car outside the Dollar General were they inside the Dollar General when this was all going down outside. What did they tell you about what happened inside. My sister told me that the what and who get an application. This year. And my guess is he will not get hired and the pictures. You have to do would nine. We don't take application this way nets went there it ups that. Quarry to my sister that there I didn't I didn't see any I just saw him in this way probably in the doorway and then it was. Vehicles for. That it be woman in the doorway in that she went into a vehicle and exited before the individual grabbed a rifle. Is it your belief that she was a customer and not an employee of Dollar General. As in this whole thing is. It is you know it's pointing more and more in the direction David I think of what could have been a mass shooting major catastrophe in Western New York. When you consider the number of rounds if what Thomas saying is true we have no reason to doubt Tom. This guy it was just indiscriminately spraying rounds everywhere. Now let's just set the stage for those of you just joining Tom was Ian. It is his mom's car in the parking lot outside of Dollar General union in French about 3 o'clock today. He witnesses a black man leaving Dollar General with a white woman there is some kind of physical altercation where the man made some physical show but or Porsche or possibly punched toward the woman. They continued walking a few feet more for the store at which point the man. Pet a physical altercation of some kind with a woman again. The woman who apparently was a customer Dollar General gets into her vehicle and drives away. The black male goes to a vehicle and gets you rifle and starts walking toward Dollar General. A white man asks the guy hey what are you doing. Seeing a guy approaching a store with a rifle in 2017 he says what are you doing or words to that effect. The guy with the rifle then swiped the ball like Gary it's the phone. Out of the guy's hand the ball ends up landing several feet away from the guy who'd been following the guy with a rifle who then goes behind a vehicle to retrieve. His cellphone. The man with a rifle. Then starts to do what Tom. The supplier of rightful. Asked. I'm not sure worthy. Work he was shooting and the first thing I noticed was when we see. Her two horsepower for me at the windows bare windows blown out. So you're trying to figure out where you're gonna duck for cover under the steering column that you find out later from your mother and your sister who were in the store. That the suspect had gone into the store wanted to file a job application which told that that was only done online and at that point became argumentative can you give us any more details of what happened inside the store. Not really no I wasn't there if I can your sister or mother I give us a call our our mentioning it but. Note. I haven't if you can call them when we're done we would certainly appreciate that because we're trying to put this puzzle together as best as we can. And what what's startling about your account is that there were. A low you say at fifteen all the way too high of thirty rounds used say you heard spotted. And when you look at the pictures at the Bauerle ability of FaceBook page you will see a number of indicators. The crime scene people apparently have left there were the brass bell. Upon its discharge your from what we would presume would be area semi automatic rifle. Our caller says point 223 shells and you know that. I don't I know that yes our us. I was I accepted the sort of quasi opportunities to who was. Because 223. Well I wasn't sure going here and food that it was too soon. It'll bump and. Right in the military they're 556. 223 is this really counterpart after Easterbrook quick question you that you mentioned. That you decided that you were gonna go to the side of the building. And ended when you've got to decide the building if there was you said there was no real loading so. As far as the at an ammunition that was spent. It out. I didn't see any lateral when he was there on a. OK so but there could have been theoretically the pauses in mentioning. I'm always tell you what I saw I can't think he has. But here. Are not hate talk I really appreciate you doing this and by the way I mean that's you're you're lucky to be alive and I think he showed great just. You win your first thought to get outline a fire. It was a very Smart move because hagee state where you were you might have been in the crossfire. Well my first thought was was brought in the go up. They you know what I would I was originality and react if not I was in fact when it is that you don't know what the circumstances but yet no that was definitely an option if it came to it. Are you were in the driver's into the passenger seat. Driver's seat okay you're making trying to duck under the steering column for some reason I envisioned you sitting in the passenger seat. As far as your mom and your sister in the store or what is going on in your mind you've seen this guy. With a rifle you have seen him fight the rightful. And that he's going toward the store in which you say your mother and your sister were both shopping what are you thinking. Well no I didn't he's going towards store. Would when he started shooting we decided to get out of there. So we drove around the side. And then we kept hearing gunfire. When we went back around the front of the building dapper was all over. That's what I noticed that he got shut out the front door. When you say week hedge your mom and sister rated back to the car by them. Beat me or the woman there was parked next to me we both ended up. Alongside each other. Are talking about the situation. Your mom and your sister when that they caught up with you again outside the car can you maybe put us in the picture of air because they've just been through quite an ordeal what was said. All my motorists early circular she's got to go home she's 94. Well. And how much your sister my sister was the one told me that the payments for application. It was anything said about what they were doing during the time wound or being fired into the Dollar General. Well my mother says they were at towards the back of the store. So. Well a venture I'm I'm not really sure what. What the year. What they. To what do you attribute you were being so call. Yes. Oh. Listen I'm you predict a crazy day Tom I'm a crazy day and and I think you know we talk all about all the training that people want people who do active shooting training everything else. You did everything that they era teaching us how to do. I mean it was instinctively you did everything the right way you. You've got away and that it is the interview we did with Tom and eyewitness said two of the shooting and bed very much or applaud his power. As of observation in his powers are recall and his ability on the spot and I used to speaking in public presumably. To ponder what a question is asking think about his answer and then give the answer. He's gonna make an excellent eyewitness and don't worry he's already been in touch with the Cheektowaga police that was one of our first concerns. Stay would news radio 930 WB Ian read the news coming up at 6 o'clock just over one minute from right now. And we will be carrying the police statement the police news conference WB eons or Tim Weiner is standing by on union road that are Cheektowaga police HQ and is standing by recovered as Bauerle. Our ability and is ready and thirty WB the manager or top pocket there in the news shooting Dollar General union and French in Cheektowaga very close to the west Seneca line. And that we're gonna replay call we took from the guy who is in the parking lot as everything unfolded and I know what some of your gonna think. We have made sure that he's already given a statement to police. And we've made sure that he is accessible to the Cheektowaga police department I've known guys on the job in Cheektowaga where many many many years I even have the lieutenant inside number. And believe me. I'm well aware of the fact that what he says to the police is much more important than calling your radio shows ago. We're definitely aware of how it operates and always cooperate with a law enforcement professionals. This is Tom a witness to what happened to. Right now this guy says he saw the incident on fold it said Tom in Pendleton a WBP. And Tom give us your story what's. So I'm sitting at a parking lot waiting for my mother and sister to come out of the store. And they see this. Guy in the black day. As an altercation with a woman in the doorway. And she comes out this story any follows her in the hits are again. And she. Was really shook up it's in her car. And takes up next Fandango. This guy is walking back towards store where they. A rifle. And. What we're kind of rifle that'll play well. Oh. Should OK but he is definitely look like a black rifle again like they are type. Okay. Were air. She bright but it was a variant like that. Well but it was shooting I think vehicles military around oak tree right. So are. There was but gentlemen going into the store. And it's very turns around the mean that gentleman turned around and so the I with a gun. Like supple like you do win. But the guy pushes him max's born out of his hand. And pushes them again. And then decade goes around the other vehicle in the front to pick up the phone. And I started hearing gunfire so. I'm thinking I don't see where he was shown but the hard to gores felt for me the windows got X windows got blown. So let me just like catch everyone up to what year are claiming you saw you were outside the Dollar General. I waited for failing memory from the shopping. Yes I was sitting in my parent my mother's parents waiting for them to come out. You saw an African American male I get into an altercation with any African American female. No I and get them all these world white woman to begin with the okay wait Mayo. And one. So your saying that the the person that came back around the corner with a gun was white or black. It but the black male who who've gotten the altercation with the white female was the one they came back with a rifle. And he was stopped by a white male that came from the store. Don't know whether over the white male was going into this store. And said what are you doing with a gun. Shoulder and seeing them. Approaching it with the even so late to right and then who cellphone got knocked out. But. It into the store okay his phone got knocked out of the scene and took a swing at him. And Mac before it is and and I shouldn't but it anyways here and fire going off. How many rounds did you hear. All of. In the beginning probably about. Six maybe seven but then we pulled around to the side of the building to try to get over that. It was probably fifteen. When he beat and Brian Meehan I'm sitting there and it's like we're gonna hide your rights and even it'll turn over you know they leaned down underneath the steering column. Record ever get out of here depressed state and so I drove around the corner and a lady that was next to me she drove around and Reese. Spare the air. And we capturing more and more gunfire. And bad we've heard the police car is common. And we probably. Ten minutes later the police were common around the corner so we figured it's probably safe you know well out front again. So we went back out front part and that's what I noticed that he shut the the doors for the front of the Dollar General. To put a bunch around in the bill and the doors. Now I never saw him going to the store you know with the onslaught chat but we weren't there right did I just told you what I saw. Did use did you see the shooter injured. Any time. No no no because. Also we come around the corner and then the absurd that gets things started the arrogant driveway if there was still there Sunday so we must to chase them. And that's when they they caught up with him down the road a little piece. But he wasn't limping or bleeding before that. Although it was it was a perfect physical shape despair where. And you didn't hear anymore gunshots after that. Know that once he left the scene and then started taking off bound union. We do we begin here anymore venture. So really gunshots you heard where was was the assailant shooting at the victim. The only. Wait the only wherever whether that shooter shoot that a conscious bishop of the are we shouldn't. Sporadic Leo over its being. And you know it wasn't sure what you wish net until. Any change a magazine. Didn't see if we were we were backgrounds around the corner when. And how many rounds you think you fired. Yes. And what was their pauses in between them. Oh yep yep yeah okay what it was like he was just. Prospering and well bullet is but he wasn't me it was it was crazy it was like. Well this police. While now this individual Tom in Pendleton who has given us information to police because he is a witness in a a criminal situations so. They are aware of how to get there in touch with him according to Tom in Pendleton so. You work. In a vehicle in the parking lot at the Dollar General. At the shore watching a black guy and a white woman are leaving the Dollar General and appear to have some kind of an altercation. In the doorway when you say altercation. Did the mail strike the female with a fist or hand at that point. Okay because Beckham after a few feet as they were further away from the store the mail hit the female again. Did the female go down. Now. Was it like a fist and punch. It was. A shot over a punch a similar to show him more of the show was it to the shoulder area to the head area. Upper body. OK so you are seeing this guy and this woman getting into an altercation you witnessed the woman shoved it. Twice she was shot and not punched in the doorway of the Dollar General. But that's way better investor what you wanna call. Okay but it didn't look like a you know of an upper cutter something like that it was more of a shove a poor. Apollo is a domestic right and but it's Bennett it's one. You just for expressionless she was purring away and it's. So he. The woman who had been the shoved or you know physically molested by this guy twice and I don't mean in the other sense but she gets into her vehicle and drives away. The male walks to his vehicle and gets a rifle. One rifle. Okay the male gets the two who. Did you notice anything unusual about the clothing worn by the guy who went back to the car to get the rifle after striking the woman twice. You have. Baseball. Sleepy play it. Jack that are sure bet it will just regular. Known there was not then. Out of the proper what I saw that. Nothing to indicate that he was wearing body armor now okay. So the suspect after grabbing a rifle then goes back in the direction of the Dollar General. At which point a male a white male asks the guy with a rifle what are you doing. Is that correct yeah. The guy with a rifle ban should watch it takes a swipe at the guy who asked him what he was doing. Knocking the guy cellphone out of his hand correct. The guy whose cell phone have been knocked out of his hand it goes to retrieve this cellphone by walking behind a car away from the guy with a rifle correct. Okay at what point. Is it did did you see the guy who would have his cell phones like out of this and by the guy with a rifle is he the individual who was shot in the shoulder. I don't know. Back at terminals saying no doubt play away because the there was. An ambulance came there but there was but it was built Jewish. And in the store or around the store. So I'm I'm gonna assume though because that's the thing. So now after we've. Started hearing gunfire. We try to get out of there with some goat with papers by and that's when we heard the rest of us firing. I'm not sure what happened to the guy who got his soulful backed out of the hands. BER because BP chief said the shooting took place outside the Dollar General that's what the assistant chief said today it is in his news briefing right but what you're saying here is very alarming because in total you're telling us that you. Heard twenty to thirty round who's going off is that correct. Well could have been fifteen when there were a lot of there was it. You know I didn't count the there was there was a lot of a lot of folks. How familiar are you with firearms and what a gunshot sounds like. Well I got a shot there I got appointed to. Okay see you're you're not a novice with firearms you know the difference between a gunshot and a backfired. Or that. The boost to shell casings were over the over ground would win after the hole in an event that we just been around. You witnessed the suspects. Way cars in the parking lot and also putting rounds through the door of the Dollar General is that correct. Chet he shot one terror. That I know. And he put a bunch around in the front door of the the store. So the question is in you're not gonna know the activists was the individual who shot the guy who got a cellphone knocked out of his hand. Or was it to somebody who was in the Dollar General at that point. At no point Tom but you told us where your mother and family members were. You you were waiting for them in the car outside the Dollar General were they inside the Dollar General when this was all going down outside. What did they tell you about what happened inside. My sister told that the what and who get an application. In the this year. And my guess is he will not get tired and the pictures that you have to do would mind. We don't take application this way that's when he there is that. Quarry to my sister that there I didn't I didn't see any of that I just saw him this way probably in the doorway and then it was. Vehicles. For word god. That it be woman in the doorway in that she went into a vehicle and exited before the individual grabbed a rifle. Is it your belief that she was a customer and not employee of Dollar General. As in this whole thing is. It is you know it's pointing more and more in the direction David I think of what could have been a mass shooting major catastrophe in Western New York. When you consider the number of rounds if what Thomas saying is true we have no reason to doubt Tom. This guy it was just indiscriminately spraying rounds everywhere now let's just set the stage for those of you just joining Tom was Ian. His his mom's car in the parking lot outside the Dollar General union in French about 3 o'clock today. He witnesses a black man leaving Dollar General with a white woman. There is some kind of physical altercation where the man made some physical show but or Porsche or possibly punched toward the woman. They continued walking a few feet more front of the store at which point the man. Pet a physical altercation of some kind with a woman again. The woman who apparently was a customer Dollar General gets into her vehicle and drives away. The black male goes to a vehicle and gets you rifle and starts walking toward Dollar General. A white man asks the guy hey what are you doing. Seeing a guy approaching a store with a rifle in 27 team he says what are you doing or words to that effect. The guy with the rifle then swiped the ball like Gary it's the phone. Out of the guy's hand the phone ends up landing several feet away from the guy who'd been following the guy with a rifle who then goes behind a vehicle to retrieve. His cellphone. The man with a rifle. Then starts to do what Tom. The supplier is right or ask. I'm not sure worthy. Where he was shooting and the first thing I noticed salute when we see. Her two horsepower for me at the windows bare windows blown out. So you're trying to figure out where you're gonna duck for cover under the steering column that you find out later from your mother and your sister who were in the store. That the suspect had gone into the store wanting to file a job application which told that that was only done online and at that point became argumentative can you give us any more details of what happened inside the store. Not really no I wasn't there if they have junior's sister or mother or give us a call all of our mentioning it but. Note. Arianna if you can call them what were done we would certainly appreciate that because we're trying to put this puzzle together as best as we can. And what it was startling about your count is that there were. A low you save fifteen all the way too high of thirty rounds you say you were heard fired. And when you look at the pictures at the Bauerle ability of FaceBook page you will see a number of indicators. The crime scene people apparently have left there were the brass bell. Upon his discharge your from what we would presume would be very or semi automatic rifle. Our caller says point 223 shells you know that. I don't I know that yes. Ups. I was I accepted the sort of quasi opportunities to who was. Because 223. I wasn't sure you know I neuter and food that it was too soon. You know something. Right in the military they're 556. 223 is just doing counterpart after several quick question you that you mentioned. That you decided that you were gonna go to the side of the building. And and then when you've got the side of the building it there was you said there was no real loading so. As far as the at an ammunition that was spent. I'm out. I didn't see any collateral when he was world there on. OK so but there could have been theoretically the pauses in mentioning. I'm always tell you what I saw I can't think he has. But here. Are not a child I really appreciate you doing this and by the way I mean that's you're you're lucky to be alive and I think he showed great just. You win your first thought to get outline a fire. It was a very Smart move because hagee state where you were you might have been in the crossfire. Well my first thought was was brought in the go up. They you know what I what I was thinking that it wouldn't matter if not for wasn't what is it you don't know the circumstances but yet no that was definitely an option if it came to it. If you're in the driver's seat for the passenger seat. Driver's seat pocket I hear you mention trying to duck under the steering column for some reason I envision you're sitting in the passenger seat. As far as your mom and your sister in the store or what is going on in your mind you see this guy. With a rifle you have seen him fight the rightful. And that he's going toward the store in which you say your mother and your sister were both shopping what are you thinking. Well no I didn't fees going towards the store. Would when he started shooting we decided to get out of there. So we drove around the side. And then we kept hearing gunfire. When we went back around the front of the building after it was all over. That's what I noticed that he shut out the front door. When you say week hedge your mom and sister rated back to the car by them. Beat me and the woman there was parked next to me we both ended up. Alongside each other. Are talking about the situation. Your mom and your sister when that they caught up with you again outside the car can you maybe put us in the picture Rivera because they've just been through quite an ordeal what was said. All my voters early circular she's got a goal in 94. Well. How much your sister my sister was the one told me that today payment for an application. It was anything said about what they were doing during the time around your being fired into the Dollar General. Well my mother says they were at towards the back of the store. So. You know about it sure I'm I'm not really sure what. What they hear. What they. To what do you attribute your being so call. Yes. Oh. Listen I'm you predict a crazy day. A crazy day and and I think you know we talk all about all the training that people want people who do active shooting treating everything else. You did everything that they era teaching us how to do. I mean it was instinctively you did everything the right way you. You've got away and that it is the interview we did with Tom and eyewitness said two of the shooting and bed very much show applaud his power. As of observation is powers are recall and his ability on the spot and I used to speaking in public presumably. To ponder what a question is asking think about his answer and then give the answer. He's gonna make an excellent eyewitness and don't worry he's already been in touch with the Cheektowaga police that was one of our first concerns stay with news radio 930 WB Ian read the news coming up at 6 o'clock just over one minute from right now. And we will be carrying the police statement the police news conference WB eons that Tim Weiner is standing by a union road at their Cheektowaga police HQ and is standing by recovered its hourly commissioners florist and giving thanks with family and friends are special these calls for special senate. Making her tradition to bring your table alive with a centerpiece permission there's a mistress centerpiece with candles at war computed anyhow they get together. And all of Misch was flowers tend to tune an arrangement special commissioner's touch and that traditional cornucopia. Or of playing with cascading flowers are tumble accents do you beat that. How about a fall Lilly days with bright a tumble flowers or if it's a little house that has kept you don't wanna send lilies there but talk with commissioners and they will explain. What would be just as nice as lilies Christopher Robert Luis kill bats and mistress likes pets as much as you do. Mission orders also has some gorgeous sunflowers and it's impossible to all the get a sunflower enough smile. Commissioners pre order were called out 63212963212963212. By the mission orders florist. Newton. And. Hit town that briefing should begin here just in any moment now we just sits on a two minutes and they're putting some final details on what they're about to release to the media here. And Cheektowaga police headquarters reduced about a mile or so north. Of where this whole incident took place and at Dollar General parking lot just south of French road. We're up until about forty minutes ago. That was in very active police scene with the Erie county sheriff's department bomb squad going very carefully through. A vehicle in the parking now we're at the gunshots rang out earlier today and we'll get more details in just a moment as we hear from. Presumably the assistant chief your team speier with the town of key to lock up. Since the bomb squad has cleared the scene down there they resume traffic both north and south down on union road in front of the Dollar General. And any moment now you'll be coming back to me and police headquarters and we'll get to live coverage. He get a lot of questions answered as to what happened here in the town of Cheektowaga town. Then we'll put Texas to. Okay he turned to leave the room. Our time and rate now at the assistant chief of the atomic Cheektowaga police department teams buyers entered the room and now. Presumably the chief is at the podium and let's listen in live now to the briefing of the Dollar General shooting and WP yen. Four I begin. I'd like to remind everyone this incident occurred only three hours ago the investigation. Is only just begun. The information we are providing at this time. Could pop. The G. Pull the Parma would like to thank the west Seneca police department. The Niagara frontier transit authority police. Erie county sheriff's office and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms were all assisting us. With this investigation. Joining me here at the podium as assistant chief. I'm James spider. This is captain Michael is brand who'll be leading the investigation. These patrol officers in this lieutenant. Joining me here. Now we're the first officers. On scene. Who did just an absolutely. Remarkable job there towns problem. Is police department's problem. And we know there for him as a problem. Lieutenant Anthony lifts ski. Patrol officer Dominic Schwartz sergeants out Scott grant. Police officer. Anthony. When the incident occurred but they are currently. Ed EC MC. During a prisoner. At approximately 2:47. PM this afternoon. CPD received a man with a gun call at the dollar general store. In Cheektowaga. This created some initial confusion. With our dispatchers. Is there are six. Dollar General locations within our tone. We were able to ascertain that the particular general dollar store in question was the union road location. However this created additional confusion is the union road location. Is actually located at the airport plaza at the intersection of union wrote in Genesee street. The actual address where this incident occurred. Although on union wrote it's official address is 25 Darden bill parkway west which is near French wrote. Complete opposite. Directions. In town that there are the most favre's most outposts. Despite the confusion. Seat PD officers did arrive on scene within four minutes of the call being received. The first officers on scene in collar total chaos as can be expected. Witnesses alert the officers to a male wearing camouflage. Fleeing the scene on fort. The subject was repeatedly ordered to stop and he refused. After a brief foot pursuit the subject was tackled to the ground by officers. No shots were exchanged between the subject and see PD officers. The subject in question. Was wearing body armor. Where he was not in a put in possession of weapon when subdue. The subject was injured. We are not sure as to whether the injury suffered occurred prior to arrest. War during the arrest his or rip injuries do not appear life threatening. One innocent civilian was injured during. What appears to be an unprovoked attack. Those injuries also do not appear to be life threatening. And this was an attack or possibly dozens of rounds were fighter. At this time to AR fifteen rifles have been recovered. We believe additional firearms may be within. A vehicle that was used by the suspects. At this time we have a suspect name how ever his identity has not been verified. He is being uncooperative at this time. The injured civilian. Has been identified. However we will not be releasing. That name until we've received the appropriate word from gambling. That victim. I am certain there are many questions as to the motive of the shooter. In at this time we have no way of knowing what that motive ones. We are very confident that the shooter was acting alone and no other suspects are being sought at this time. ATF this year ups. Office were called in as a precautionary measure to ensure the possible suspect vehicle had no explosives contained therein. Both agencies have completed their work. No explosives were present in their vehicle. At this time I'll take any questions you may have. And at this time I do not have that information. That is correct. It. Once again we can't speculate on they ask were were just into theirs he is not being cooperative with us at all. So motive. Pre planning all those things. We were just unsure of it this time. That the victim does not appear to be seriously hurt. Again we just we don't wanna talk about the victim right at this time just because we're still. Making sure family and also that the treatment has been completed an epic and we don't know what the status that treatment is right now. Wrong. I can tell you as as. Head being kind of scene there were several grounds that it penetrated the front door glass of the store and one is welcome Michelle greet customers and our lives and works. In close proximity of the in the Dollar General partner. That's way too early to know. Personally I am nice last several cases. Next up. You. Witnesses were alerting the officers and pointing it and in the suspect's direction and and that's where they focused their attention. You know when you when he these are the times we live and sadly and when you when you have an incident like this. You have to take every precaution. We don't know you know what the motive that of the shooter was. But when you have someone running around. With body armor with a high powered rifle. Wearing body armor. There's there's no way of knowing what their true intent is and we have to take every precaution. We believe we knew that the vehicle that he arrived in so we're gonna earlier. So we're gonna clear that. As well and again I think it's just the times we live and. There is. We did have a I believe it was the NF TA dog that came out and it did hit. Had a positive hit. Four. Some sort of substrate on the vehicle. Which of course you know. Admit that could also be that they're the gunshot residue itself so there was a positive. Hit by the dog which but we would have called out those agencies regardless. It may need to do it this morning and witnesses. Described it. That was single shot automatic fire where the gun in my class anyway. All those things you know there were witnesses. From the store there were witnesses across the street. We've got a number of them. So each and every one of those witnesses are still being interviewed. By. Our investigators at this time so again I really can't answer that right now. In the new. York. And would that be what appears to be unprovoked. If were shocked and iron. The. That I don't have all the details on that we're hoping by morning we'll know a little bit more about that I mean obviously we can. That is injured party and is being treated so we have not been able to conduct a thorough. Interview of exactly what happened or for how those injuries occurred it. Again I'd I don't have all that right now. And searching he's. We do have a suspect name. We are trying to verify that we believe we have an address. And we are. Following up on that Rooney who witnesses these days trying to stop as I don't have that information right now I'm hearing different reports. So they're still. They're still alive when. You have been watching the news conference from two to uphold this is sound obviously from one of the TV stations I do not know which one let's go back to WB Ian microphones. In about 247. Many shots fired there. A man dressed in camouflage and body armor we want is tackled by. Oh. We're extremely lucky. Captioning of news. I. Several there's there's a number of witnesses I don't wanna say. It is ten would be or a reasonable he hum perk but they're there they're could be more there might be if you us. Yet. Again we can't confirm any of that right now. You can send these elements and live and you guys obviously trained for this little nine a couple of hours after his hands and deconstructing everything danger officers respond the way that you were training that they were supposed to do and shooters situation. I would have to sail under the circumstances. That these officers faced they've performed heroically. They performed as they've been trained. Our dispatchers. And a clearly. Confusing situation did a remarkable job. We will debrief. When it's all said and done we will look to see. You know. Things that that we possibly could've done better but on its face you consider the response time. The suspect has been taken into custody. That. That we possibly could've done better but on its face you consider the response time. The suspect has been taken into custody. Orders. There were no. Major cat casualties. It was training it was luck it was still it was all of the above. You mentioned here are the other leaves me. And we will that that will ask. The identity of the suspect. Becomes known we will be working very closely with the FBI and also. Clearly the you're kind to us attorney's office he has seen that you. We have video we have video. I believe the assistant chief did you get a look at that. We're not gonna really talk about that. What's on that at this time I haven't seen it and number of investors have a policy that I. So he say whether it was just from Dollar General it was from surrounding businesses. Homes just quantity of video the video I saw was from the job shall part of the incident in the are you. That was used video and it was at the scene and were able to grab the first. Fifteen minutes afterwards we will go through every business in the area. Its users additional and he'll fail at this point at that point anyway excellent field. And there. Knowing and oh yes. It. Would interrogate the elderly and was. It was an act. On track I thought it is. About it. Yes you eat it. I know that never plays we're still trying to verify identity on them. You know he's not being very cooperative and the information is being developed now grown at this point he's he's not talking to us so. It's gonna take a little time to verify that. Didn't. But left it on certain officers apprehend him and get club. That I can't I can't speculate on all I can tell he was at the time of arrest he was not in possession of apparently from. And I would say just a couple hundred feet. It. Changed. He. We had our suspect there is no. Threat that we believe at this time we do believe the shooter acted alone. For. Our town residents sleep safe you're guys are on the job. If it's too hard to ascertain that this time. Officers. They can't tell you they're not allowed to speak. They're doing great. They're doing great and we are. Extremely proud of them and we're happy draw here. Most of law but. They could've done a better job. They're the best of the dust and we got 129 officers here extremely delicate if we're extremely. Proud of all of them but today we're particularly proud of these guys appear. Let's please keep it longer yours is there any other agencies. That that's all we have right now. That's I'm sure will be seeking some assistance from other agencies down the road but right now that that's who's working closely with us. That that that. No I'm the victim was. Rightly put Clinton euros. When suspects. Are. What is he. Is being arrested and he. We're not gonna get into that I mean the officers all have to be interviews. We haven't had time to interview all of them formally. Siemens will be taken from them so they're. Their actions we can't really get into it. Too much of this time is me. I believe that's going to be shut down for a while others. It's a big scene. Again these are the windows were the door and your way what shot up. So I don't know when he'll be returning to business. I would imagine that of the a couple of days at least. But traffic has been reopened up in that general area so but that scene will be contained for for quite some time our RC aside people got. Her work cut out form over the next. It's safe having done this work 48 to 72 hours are going to be pretty busy. There are only image only from Dollar General surrounding. Some other vehicles were hit by gunfire. But as far as we know that's it right now. That's primarily you know an industrial area commercial areas so you know we haven't had any reports yet. You know straight rounds flying anywhere but that possibly certainly exist but we have gotten reports of that just yet. You. I think we will have. I think we should have some more information you a little bit later. Assistant chiefs fire will be contacting you while we not do anything else on camera tonight we will probably sense something out tomorrow morning and and give you additional. Updates. It's all have. To thank you thank you. That is send news conference at the Cheektowaga town police headquarters on union road in Cheektowaga we have to thank our friends at WI VB for letting us that cut into their audio at the beginning of the news conference when our equipment to it was a failing. And I also love what effect Specter news for the use of their audio and as you people low and breaking news situations. We like to our credit our competitors. And our colleagues in the business and it's not unusual for us too sure audio or for the publisher audio without split. We always believe in accreditation. We've got to to linger in my bag and live at the police station the press covers just concluded we heard that live here. Tim you know what do you make of of some type after their I think there was a lot of interesting. Far more details that we had now they're not released say that the injury to the suspect appears to be a gunshot wound. And if he was also not real comfortable saying that the victim wasn't really wounded by gunfire could have been. Shrapnel and ricochet or maybe something a debris. Yeah you know those details are important and made these certainly are different from what we have been hearing earlier but. I think the real take away here I gotta tell you is you know it is kind of looking at his side when he was talking about how this car. Ended you know the fact that he could've been up there tonight. You know listing the names and numbers of of casualties or or potentially deaths and that wasn't the case in. You know I think really obviously. Having heard what we all just heard. From their police chief I mean this this certainly could've gone in an entirely different direction and some pretty speedy. Police police work is is to credit there you know we got a confirmation of one of the early eyewitnesses heard live here and WB and that said that the shooter was wearing body armor. That was confirmed in the 6 PM a press conference also one of our witnesses they called into the show was talking about. The shooter was appearing to have some sort of plan and that was confirmed to be camouflaged so this obviously shows a little bit of premeditation. He had me really to be extremely scary scene here for obviously the people that were in the store outside the story in the immediate vicinity. And then these law enforcers at all you know had to rest of that scene. What they were faced with there was supposed pretty pretty terrific when you hear the details that we're just. Details on the air here. Yeah you know and now the one thing I believe a Mike Bagram had asked you know there's the question of what really happened was this confrontation we've had you know some people are are saying that this is a really heroic. Intervention and maybe. Save lives. But the police chief was basically saying you know what we've heard a lot of different stories we're trying to get to the bottom of it. He had indeed work and it being scurried out of this room right now Simon have to drop away from you. Problem now all know drop all this out there just when and where I lookup column but that's what I was getting good. All expecting that that answer to that there well the property damage we know that first subscription FaceBook live with this and his drive home. Just to see he can I do audio interview that we heard and we're that there are some property damage to some cars were also looking at some some photos that show the different shell casings. Appeared to be. Almost in the mouth of of the parking lot. From what it would these casings look like and then of course the what what was either the weapon that the rifle that was used in the shooting. Or the second weapon we're there were two. Some sort of a ER that doesn't necessarily mean that there. Armor light they could be cold they could be it's a variant of an ER 152. Of those were taken one. In the vehicle thing that was interesting was that when the shooter was apprehended he did not have a gun on him. And he was tackled to the ground now the injuries sustained if this guys not being cooperative. You know whose team and say. I hate to be this taboos even say is really injured I mean. Uncooperative people I wanna go to the hospital first of course police always have to air on the side of victims' rights and and everything else. They took him to the hospital there they're making sure he's in tip top condition so he could you know stay in front of a judge. So another important thing that take away this guy is wearing. Camouflage and body armor now. Originally we had heard from Tom was an eyewitness who was there at the very beginning of the shooting identified everything literally was. Waiting for family members to come out of the store. And said that it appeared inside the store his family members had told him that there was some sort of job application. Misunderstanding. I find that really kind of confusing when who was wearing body armor and chemical. Out of it up camp a lot of people were Campbell two in out of control you know everybody additional a good look but he was ready to bat again David I think you know the the question is was this guy planning something that could have been a lot worse because. What are witness told this dozens of rounds that changed things a little bit in my mind. And as far as not to being able to identify him they'd they have to have some kind of a tentative match because there's a system it's called a missed the automatic got fingerprint identification system and especially if you know. Or believe you know the idea of somebody you just take new electronic friends and you run up against eight person identified as that individual. In the system and it will just it will. It'll match up a lot faster than it usually does is is what I'm trying to say that if this guys in the system anywhere with fingerprints they they know. Who use. 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